*Ultimate Warrior first inductee in the HOF 2014*

[RobLP]

Rob non vedo il video da cellulare.

Ma posso immaginare.

Tentativo triste a mio parere.

Era il video di Lashley che spezza la Masterlock. "Tentativo triste" esattamente perché?

[Jeff Hardy 18]

beh, la differenza tra squash match e match contro jobber e' per l'epoca sottile, a quei tempi i jobber erano sparring partner semi-sconosciuti, i match tra superstars acclamate tipo HTM e UW finiti in 38 secondi(mi pare), sono robe rare, e comunque a quei tempi non fu fatto per giocare sul fattore brevità' di UW, ma sul suo impeto devastante.

Finiamola con 2 domande, per te UW e' da HoF? per te nel complesso mondo del wrestling, UW, fa schifo a dio?

Eh certo a Superstars erano tutti match da 30 secondi in effetti. Ma l'hai mai vista una puntata intera?

Ma appunto, fu roba rara proprio per Warrior. Impeto devastante E perchè un'esposizione prolungata era il male per lui.

L'ho già detto UW è merda che caga merda.

[big luca]

Eh certo a Superstars erano tutti match da 30 secondi in effetti. Ma l'hai mai vista una puntata intera?

Ma appunto, fu roba rara proprio per Warrior. Impeto devastante E perchè un'esposizione prolungata era il male per lui.

L'ho già detto UW è merda che caga merda.

Jeff, premettendo che non ho letto tutte le pagine del Topic, ti pongo questa domanda secca: per te UW merita o no l'HOF?

Spoiler:

Perdona il pesante Off Topic, ma qualche settimana fa ti avevo fatto un'altra domanda ch evidentemente ti è sfuggita: per te quello di Brodus Clay è un push?

[Jeff Hardy 18]

Un push serve ad elevare uno status. Quello di Clay è stato un push proprio perchè è servito da passare da jobber comedy e lowcarder heel serioso.

Nella HOF della WWE sì.
Non a caso nè nella Professional Wrestling HOF nè nella WON HOF (le altre due importanti del panorama) è stato inserito.

[Riccardi]

e tanto basta..

voglio dire.. (mia personalissima opinione) la WWE e' la federazione piu seguita al mondo... e penso ad un buon 90% del pubblico, interessi ben poco del resto.

e poi, parliamoci chiaro, (sempre personalmente) penso che moltissimi wrestler (NON TUTTI, per carita') delle indies abbiano quantomeno l'ambizione di approdare in WWE per i seguenti motivi:

1. Mainstream
2. Soldi
3. punti 1 & 2


poi certo, sul punto di vista del lottato puro, la WWE ha delle evidenti lacune ma, ripeto, se e' la federazione piu' seguita al mondo, un motivo c'e.

No?

[It's True!]

e poi, parliamoci chiaro, (sempre personalmente) penso che moltissimi wrestler (NON TUTTI, per carita') delle indies abbiano quantomeno l'ambizione di approdare in WWE per i seguenti motivi:

1. Mainstream
2. Soldi
3. punti 1 & 2

Se sei un low-midcarder in WWE, guadagni più soldi combattendo nelle indy.

[Jeff Hardy 18]

poi certo, sul punto di vista del lottato puro, la WWE ha delle evidenti lacune ma, ripeto, se e' la federazione piu' seguita al mondo, un motivo c'e.

No?

Le altre minchiate non le commento.

Per qui banalmente la parola che cerchi si chiama Marketing.

[Riccardi]

@Rob

dici?

@Jeff

... inizio quasi a prendere in simpatia il tuo ego. Sai, se ti pagassero per la spocchia, saresti multimiliardario.

e' indiscutibile ed evidente che la WWE sappia far funzionare le strategie di business e marketing (unitamente alla dote di essere un gran figlio di puttana del signor McMahon) e che, quindi, sia la federazione piu' seguita al mondo.. non mi sorprende che ci arrivi, e' l'abc. Poi certo, se vogliamo parlare di economia, iniziamo quando vuoi.

[Jeff Hardy 18]

Peccato che marketing ed economia siano due cose differenti.

[Riccardi]

Volpe,

dimmi come il marketinng NON INFLUISCE nella vendita di un prodotto, quindi, nell'economia... perche' al momento e' di questo che stiamo parlando.




Volpe.

[Christian Peeps]

Peccato che marketing ed economia siano due cose differenti.

Jeff, perchè ci perdi tempo?

[Riccardi]

No Christian.. spiegami..

cioe'.. davvero? Marketing ed economia non sono correlati??




no ma veramente..

sono aperte le selezioni per The Apprentice 2?

no perche' altrimenti potete provarci..


giusto per un "sei fuori"

[Christian Peeps]

No Christian.. spiegami..

cioe'.. davvero? Marketing ed economia non sono correlati??




no ma veramente..

sono aperte le selezioni per The Apprentice 2?

no perche' altrimenti potete provarci..


giusto per un "sei fuori"

Ma anche tu, non ci perdere tempo, sono discorsi che lasciano il tempo che trovano.

[SNM UOTC]

Controversial Letters Between The Ultimate Warrior and Vince McMahon from 1991 Leak Online
By Marc Middleton
Jan 20, 2014 - 10:33:06 AM

- There has been a story going around for years that The Ultimate Warrior "held up" Vince McMahon and WWE for money going into the SummerSlam 1991 pay-per-view, leading to Warrior being suspended right after. Warrior would remain under contract to WWE until late 1992.

The letter from Warrior demanding money and Vince's reply surfaced online this past week. There had been stories that Warrior actually demanded money the weekend of the pay-per-view but these letters show it was 7 weeks before the pay-per-view. Vince essentially agreed to the new terms but suspended Warrior right after the event. You can view a PDF at this link or read below. Vince's reply and link to his PDF are also below.

"Vince-

Writing this is a different approach in expressing my feelings about the things we discussed the last 2 days under the pressure of TV. knowing that any second someone would be knocking on the door, etc. Every other avenue we tried - via phone, face to face, myself still walking away with unanswered questions. Always put off till a later date. Always with the same result - no result.

Writing sometimes allows a person to express feelings or say things that don't come in conversations such as we have. Some of the things will once again become repetitive - so what I've heard "in an Essence" at least a million times. I've tried to speak as a friend but sometimes you don't hear. I've spoken as a professional but the direction always gets changed. No you never let me leave with-out a response, but the words you speak never have any definitives. My whole life for the last 5 years has had no room for anything but definitive (Los Angeles on Thurs, San Diego on Friday, San Francisco Sat. Sacramento on Sunday, Prime Time on Monday...) but you always have to have the best way of time. Time to say stew things over to work them your way.

I have been from day 1 different from the others. I have sacrificed myself enough both in my personal life and physical well being. The fairness you say you want everyone to have is unfair to me. I grew in 5 (five) years to become what the "Ultimate Warrior" is today, Always questioning, but nonetheless taking him in the direction you wanted him to go at any particular time. Done what would and has taken other 10-15 years.

The points and suggestions you have made over the last 5 years were very well taken. Now I look at other individuals with less than 1/3 the creativity, desire and hunger I had (have) and wonder how you can look and see them as The One. For you as a friend I pray all the things you believe in rise to the surface and present themselves.

Then there is the side that says "What the f man?" When I was thought of as The One the topics of conversation were - "Treat the veterans with respect". The veterans you spite are the very ones who will fuck it up for you. No matter I listened. I would go to ring push myself to the brink of a heart attack and you would say "When you go to the corner - SMILE?!?! you spoke of the Ultimate Warrior appealing to all, old, young, ugly, beautiful, fat, skinny, black, white.

A character who would show ups and downs emotions and intensities, sensitivities and cold-heartedness when it was needed. Like a yo-yo I obliged so I could be The One. Where the hell are this man's ups and downs. - Total jugular-vein popping yelling at all times. Is this the Total Picture, character, or presentation that can be The One? I learned with you to show intensity at this level but also to show just as much intensity with the look of my eyes or with the whisper of my voice or even better - extreme intensity in total silence. I did all you asked.

The the long-term plan changed. At first I was reluctant for what I believed were the right reasons - but once again I went with what I knew I could believe in - "Vince has never fucked me" I dealt with what you thought was best no matter what the cost to me. , no matter the countless # of sleepless nights there were to come, no matter the # of times I had to knock on your door with questions I should never have had.

For the last 2 1/12 years I should have never had the questions I did. To stand and make a videotaped apology for something I never did made me realize all we have is business.

Once again I went without sleep, if ever I do so again it will be because I elect to, not because my wandering mind says to do so.

In reaching this conclusion I ask for these things. You say 500,000 for Wrestlemania is unfair, then I say the last 8 1/2 years of not being compensated equally when I meant as much or more to the company was total bullshit and most definitely unfair. I have sacrificed more than 500,000 more than 1 million dollars, even more in monies that should have been paid to mein receiving equal compensation as Hulk.

I paid my goddamn dues long ago. I need not pay anymore. I have given everything and never once was there a knock on my fucking door. Whether to bullshit as a friend or help me thru my times of need or you trusting me to help you thru yours.

I ask for these things Vince and the answers must come for the next event is upon you. It has been for me the 5 years and for you to tell me you need to evaluate whether or not I'm cost-effective and this takes time us unfair. A show runs at a given time and date - I have always been there, never asking for time to see if I have the rest, food or whatever it takes to make it. Now I ask the same of you.

I want (1) $550,000 release from the monies allotted me to purchase my home. This will suffice as my Wrestlemania VII payoff, but let it be noted it is not fair. I meant as much or more to that show as Hulk - I deserve to be paid the same (I know what Hulk will get)

(2) 4 days off every other time off period - except Pay Per View only.

(3) I want the same pay cut as Hulk gets on all Pay-Per-Views, SNME, FRIDAY PRIMETIME, house shows and proof as such. The same pay cut applies to what Hulk has been paid with relationship to past events Wrestlemania V, VI, VII i.e when Hulk was top draw.

(4) I want numbers and proof of monies done on 1-900-Hulk and likewise same pay cut.

(5) Same pay cut on all forms of merchandising.

Because I have had to always knock on your door Words alone are not good enough. I understand Doug Sages is on Vacation, call him take his days off away like you do to the boys and myself and have it written. Everytime I had to knock upon your door upon leaving I have always apologized. I no long feel I have any reason to apologize, Therefore I will not. I have tried to speak as a friend, but maybe I don't have the qualities you required to seek me out as a friend. The videotaped apology was the icing on the cake - you see it as business so whether I like it or not I must do the same. Whatever your decision I can and will live with it Till then I remain home with one who cares

-Jim"

- You can download a PDF of Vince's reply, dated July 13th, 1991, at this link or read below:

Dear Jim:

This letter is in response to your facsimile to me of July 10, 1991.

1. You will be paid an aggregate amount of $550,000 (five-hundred-fifty-thousand) for your participation in WrestleMania VII.

2. With the exception of special events only, you will receive four days off every other time off period.

3. Your pay rate on house shows will increase to 4-5% of the net, effective immediately, with the understanding that no other WWF athlete will be paid at a higher rate. Likewise, no other WWF athlete will be paid at a higher pay rate than you on pay-per-view events.

4. Effective immediately, your royalty rate on all forms of merchandise is to be increased. The specific amount will be determined in writing within one week.

5. Your compensation for the Warrior 900 hotline will be identical to that of the Hulk 900 hotline. Likewise, documentation for this will follow in writing within one week.

I regret the turmoil you've put yourself though and your agonizing over what you feel is fair compensation. And even though we have a difference of opinion over some of these matters, I am resolved to work with you in the same honest and equitable way that I always have. Furthermore, I would like to express to you my deepest appreciation and admiration for you as a performer, as a member of the WWF family, as a man and as my friend.

- Vince
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[Christian Peeps]

Sinceramente, ora mi rompo il cazzo di leggere tutto, non potresti fare un riassunto?