AEW 2020 REVOLUTION : OFFICIAL THREAD

[Delphi]

Mi sono rivisto l'ingresso di Orange Cassidy, e ho fatto caso ai pyros semplicissimi e moscissimi geniale

[DF PUNK]

Mi sono rivisto l'ingresso di Orange Cassidy, e ho fatto caso ai pyros semplicissimi e moscissimi geniale

From Wherever; Weight Whatever

[Silent]

Hahahaha è vero, non ci avevo fatto caso

[Joy Black]

7 mi sembra esagerato... Per me ne dà 6 anche se ormai non sono più sorpreso da certi voti

Ci hai preso, gli ha dato 6 stelle.

[Joy Black]

Dati parziali del ppv molto positivi, a livello di Double or Nothing e meglio di Full Gear. Mancano però i dati degli acquisti cable, e bisogna vedere quanto influirà sul dato totale la chiusura di ITV box-office in Inghilterra.

The AEW Revolution pay-per-view will end up drawing more pay-per-view buys than the Full Gear event, according to the Wrestling Observer Newsletter.

Cable pay-per-view numbers aren’t in yet, but for iPPV buys through B/R Live, Revolution was up more than 10% from Full Gear, and at the same level as Double Or Nothing 2019, which would be in the range of 37,000 – a strong number for iPPV buys.

The Revolution buys for FITE.TV were the highest for any AEW show to date, which would mean among the highest for any event in the history of FITE. This was somewhat expected as FITE was the only way for the UK market to access the show legally. The UK numbers also aren’t available yet, but the total number of UK buyers will be down and that wasn’t unavoidable because of the closing of ITV Box Office and AEW being unable to land a new TV pay-per-view provider there.

The Observer adds that based on data available, the indication is that Revolution would have been second behind Double Or Nothing, of the four AEW pay-per-view events, but that’s not official yet. This is based on B/R Live and FITE numbers because the cable numbers aren’t in yet, and the Germany TV numbers aren’t too big, but were a new addition for this event.

It was noted that it’s not a lock that Revolution will be the #2 AEW pay-per-view out of the four, but it will beat Full Gear.

It was previously reported that Full Gear drew an estimated 100,000 pay-per-view buys or slightly below. Double Or Nothing 2019 drew an estimated 110,000 buys between cable and digital, and All Out was below that with around 100,000 buys. All In, which took place before the launch of AEW, drew an estimated 50-55,000 buys in September 2018.

Regarding attendance for Revolution, the show was sold out at the Wintrust Arena in Chicago as more than 7,000 tickets were sold on the first day tickets were put on sale. The Observer noted that Revolution was only the second event in AEW history to trend on Google, with 100,000 searches. This was still only half of the 200,000 searches that WWE Super ShowDown brought in.

In other numbers for AEW, this week’s Dynamite episode from 1stBank Center in Broomfield, Colorado, the Denver area debut for the promotion, drew 3,342 fans. It was noted that a good crowd is not expected for the March 11 Dynamite episode from the Maverik Center in Salt Lake City, Utah. That city does poorly for AEW in streaming and TV pay-per-view, and only part of the building has been opened up for seating. However, the March 18 Dynamite episode from the Blue Cross Arena in Rochester, New York should have a strong crowd as more than 4,500 tickets had been sold as of Thursday of this week.

Stay tuned for updates on the Revolution pay-per-view numbers.

[Delphi]

Ci hai preso, gli ha dato 6 stelle.

Finora quanti match hanno sforato le 5 stelle?
Mi vengono in mente Omega-Okada e Bate-WALTER, poi?

[Joy Black]

Finora quanti match hanno sforato le 5 stelle?
Mi vengono in mente Omega-Okada e Bate-WALTER, poi?

Sono un po' ormai

[Delphi]

Sono un po' ormai

Eh infatti.. È che non avevo voglia di andare a controllare..

[Joy Black]

Eh infatti.. È che non avevo voglia di andare a controllare..

Controllato ora.

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2 soli pre 4 gennaio 2017

[Freestyla]

Cornette incredibilmente ha parlato bene del match dei Bucks. Poi ovviamente ha distrutto quello di Cassidy.

[Joy Black]

Preparatevi allo spam di stelle di Meltzer, big Dave ha esordito "17 anni fa in questo giorno ci fu l'ultimo match fra Misawa e Kobashi al Budokan, un match incredibile, un classico. E pensa che persino quel match non è bello come il tag team match" e più avanti "è probabilmente il miglior tag team match della storia in nord America, forse del mondo intero".

Sul tag match migliore di sempre Meltzer si è riguardato altri due match oltre al tag di Revolution, Misawa & Kobashi vs. Kawada & Taue e Midnight Express vs Fantastics. 3 match da 3 decadi differenti.
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Magari qualche utente più esperto del sottoscritto dei vari periodi può dire la sua su questo confronto.

After the Young Bucks vs. Kenny Omega & Adam Page match on the 2/29 AEW Revolution show, the immediate reaction was that it was one of the greatest, if not the greatest, tag team match of all-time. Jim Ross called it the greatest tag match he could remember broadcasting and Tony Schiavone said it was the greatest tag team match he'd ever seen. Then again, given they are AEW announcers, you have to temper that. Still, my reaction when it was over that it was the best tag team match ever in the U.S., and the only stuff that may have been comparable was early 90s All Japan stuff in the Mitsuharu Misawa, Kenta Kobashi, Toshiaki Kawada and Akira Taue days, and the All Japan women stuff in the Manami Toyota & Toshiyo Yamada days.

So this past week, I watched in a row, Misawa & Kobashi vs. Kawada & Taue, Midnight Express vs,. Fantastics (which I always considered the beat American tag team match I ever saw, [...]) and Young Bucks vs. Omega & Page (for the third time in four days).

Pardon the pun, but those were three fantastic matches. And completely different. Different times, different places and different audiences. The key is that the first two matches, if you transported them to 2020, decades after they both took place, and could bring the audience with them, they are still ***** matches.

Midnight Express vs. Fantastics was long, but without a slow moment and everything they did made sense in building the match. It was a different style, but a style that would hold up today. It also had nearly as good storytelling as the AEW match this past week and had the best finish of the three bouts. Bobby Eaton put in today's wrestling scene would still be one of the best in the world, and Tommy Rogers, even with his lack of natural charisma, would be a far bigger star today because he wouldn't have the size stigma against him. The other thing that was clear to me is that there is so much today's wrestlers could learn from studying Eaton's work, pace, moves and selling, and Rogers' work, including his flying head scissors moves that would be new and unique in today's environment that overuses the Mexican huracanranas. It's doing the same thing with a new twist that somebody could make their own as opposed to being part of the routine that everybody does. The Fantastics, by today's standards, would still be an elite team. Both Rogers and Bobby Fulton were better than I remembered them being. And for those who talk of the Midnight Express as one of the greatest tag teams of all-time, even today you can see they deserve that praise. It was also the safest of the three bouts. And while the heat in all three was different, the match had the most heat as well but that was more because of the difference in the type of audience, since the match had heat before it started and they never had to build it, since it was always there.

The Japanese match was also long. It was the most physical and most dangerous of the three with the frequent head drops, While there were a lot of spectacular moves in the AEW match, I only cringed once, which was that toss of Matt Jackson into the German suplex where he came close to landing on his head that could have been easily a Hiromu Takahashi moment. The one thing about today, and I see this in AEW more than I’d like, is there are too many near misses. Because if you keep having near misses, one day something will go every wrong. Still, in All Japan, there were multiple head dropping suplexes that made it the most dangerous. And long-term, the reality is Misawa was shot later in his career and died from neck injuries, while Kobashi had to retire early, more due to his knees than his neck, and Taue and Kawada are not in good shape now.

Omega suffered a broken little finger in the match. He'll have a cast put on but probably won't be out of action long if at all.

In the other match, Eaton has had many physical problems and severe health issues, Rogers developed bad pain killer issues and died young, Fulton still wrestled under he was near 60 and is battling cancer that would likely be unrelated to the ring, and Stan Lane at last word seemed fine.

The 80s match had a very different crowd. Larry Matysik used to note to me about how in St. Louis, they had a B+ crowd for Sam Muchnick shows and then when he worked for Vince McMahon, it was a C or C- crowd, as compared to what you'd see at NHL or Baseball games that he attended. This was very much a C- crowd, which isn't a bad thing, because they lived and died with it. It was clearly Southern, all ages but skewing younger, women, but definitely a low-rent feel. From the crowd to the match, it was the epitome of as great as rasslin would get.

Japan was like watching a major sports event. The aura was the highest class of the three. The crowd was a strong A-, different from today's New Japan, but not that different. Because this was prior to MMA being big, the fans did take this as a sport. The NWA crowd took it more as a wild bar fight, with the heel manager and faces and heels. You had to really suspend your disbelief hard to take it as a sport, although many did just that. It was really cool but in no way could you take is as real unless you tried hard to deceive yourself. It just didn't hold up and was corny. But it really was the top level that art form could reach.

Japan was clearly the most sports-like of the three styles. It looked like almost a real fight. The hitting was harder. The selling lacked any of the corniness and exaggeration of the NWA Southern style. This felt like great athletes battling for a legitimate championship. No, the crowd didn't think it was real either, but it was the easiest of the three to allow yourself to believe. Also, Misawa, Kawada and Kobashi even today are three of he greatest ever to do this. Taue is good as well. He's not an all-time great, but he was in the ring with three all-time greats and he enhances, not detracts, from the overall match. I've usually heard the comparisons that Misawa is like Okada, Kobashi like Tanahashi and Kawada like Ishii. Actually Misawa and Kawada are both closer to Ishii except both are more versatile, but they do the most realistic selling. Okada is much more versatile than Misawa. He also works in front of very different crowds, since post-MMA, you can work realistically but you can't get by with just looking solid and believable because people have seen so much real, that pro wrestling now has to do more to entertain and keep audiences coming back.

As for Saturday's match, watching it after the other two, it was clearly the best match of the three for a 2020 crowd. While both of those matches would still be among the best, Midnight-Fantastics would be the fourth best match I've seen this year (better than Sabre-Ospreay in London but well below Okada-Ibushi and Ospreay-Hiromu Takahashi). The All Japan tag match would be about the same, Saturday's would be first or second.

It had the best storytelling, but it was not that far ahead of Midnight vs. Fantastics in that realm, but did beat the All Japan match handily. It was the most spectacular of the three, easily. It did not have the sports feel of the Japan match, but it had a very different and more respectful and smarter audience than the NWA match. In many ways, it was the most healthy atmosphere because while the guys were going too far with the risks, without a doubt, the audiences appreciated them for what they were doing. There was no con involved. There was no attempt to pull the wool over the eyes of the audience or pretend, which you can't do in a modern world. There was no guy along for the ride like Taue or Stan Lane (who both brought something to their matches but were clearly the least talented of the four). Part of that is that the person who would be thought ahead of time as the guy on that spot in this week's tag match, Page, was the key player in the key story. The story of the match is that in the end, Page was to outshine the other three, by design, and win strongly at the end. But this match not only had more stories and more layers, but also far more depth to the storytelling. ll were close to perfect for their audiences. All would transport into different eras and be among the best matches of the year. Nobody had an edge in pacing and none of the three bouts, all over 30 minutes, had a second of down time, or ever dragged, or felt too long. All actually left much shorter than they really were. In the end, this week's match was the best, but saying any of the three weren't among the best tag matches of all-time seems ludicrous to me now.

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Controllato ora.

L'orgoglio di aver assistito dal vivo al 24esimo match della lista

ma aver capito solo dopo averlo rivisto on screen quanto fosse stato effettivamente figo

[Delphi]

Controllato ora.

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2 soli pre 4 gennaio 2017

Ammazza me ne ero scordate tantissime pure l'Escalera de la Muerte mi ero dimenticato non pensavo che avesse sforato prima di Omega-Okada.

[PuroIndyLove]

Ho visto lo show.

Il tag team match è sicuramente notevole e il match della serata, ma non lo innalzerei a livelli stratosferici.

Dei Bucks ricordo incontri migliori e Meltzer tende sempre molto ad esagerare.

Del resto, è sempre quello che diede quattro stelle al Mixed Tag di 'Mania 34.

Ma ovviamente, se dai costantemente cinque stella a match che in realtà non meritano considerazioni così alte, è chiaro poi che quando ti trovi effettivamente di fronte a un match a cinque stelle (mi viene in mente l'ultimo Okada/Omega, al quale diede 6 stelle) ti ritrovi a dover far saltare tutti i parametri, rendendoti solo ridicolo.

La vittoria di Ambrose mi ha sorpreso, ma se la sono giocata bene e la storyline era indubbiamente molto hot.

Match sufficiente, diciamolo, poco fluido e alquanto scolastico.

Ad ogni modo, è uno di quei match che rispetta i dovuti tempi drammatici e almeno segue uno storytelling lineare.

Lo stesso dicasi di Cody/MJF, che probabilmente continueranno il loro feud.

[Jeff Hardy 18]

Countdown: Molti belli i video package dei match principali. Un lavoro di produzione molto alto comunque.

Pre-Preshow: riprende i video di Countdown.

Preshow: Bel promo di Brandy e vabbè il momento senza microfono con il tizio della camera che allunga il braccio in diretta, top.

Coach: Date il mondo ad Anderson.

Buy-In: questo PPV ha più preshow di quante serate di Mania ci sono. SCU/Dark Order fa vedere la differenza con la WWE, dove i Kickoff sono match di livello basso, qui invece, abbiamo un match di tutto rispetto con un post interessante, debutto di Cabana, e Daniels che non è membro del DO come stavano costruendo. 6+

PPV, finalmente.

Dustin/Hager. Vediamo se il buco di carisma per eccellenza, riesce nel miracolo. Eh no, il silenzio sul finale, che è anche perfetto, cioè il match è fatto bene, ben costruito, una bella psicologia, va a costruire bene il personaggio da Fighter di Hager, ma continua a non avere quel minimo di carisma necessario. 6

Guevara/Allin. Oh bello, doveva essere questo e questo è stato, veloce, rapido nelle mosse, begli spot, sia pre che durante il match. Poco da dire. 6.5

Tag. Notevolissimo match, molto molto bello, ottima scrittura, si vedono i personaggi, le relazioni, le storie raccontate inq uesti mesi, unito a combinazioni e momenti di celodurismo reciproco di alto livello. 7.5

Femminile. Quello che mi aspettavo, nel senso che io avrei sperato che la Statlander non fosse un +1, ma più la contendente seria a detronizzare la Rose. Ma ovviamente essendo la prima sfidante, le aspettative erano queste. 6

Cody/MJF. Eh vabbè, immenso qua, in modo diverso dal tag, ma anche qui si toccano vette altissime. NOn è un match di quelli dove lo stile di lotta la fa da padrone, anzi, qui siamo a una brawlerata abbasanza classica, con tanto di sanguinamento da tradizione, quindi c'è poco di figo o innovativo come è stato nel tag match ma, come dicevo, il focus non è soltanto su quello, ma sulla purezza narrativa, un perfetto MJF heel, una Brandi che interagisce ottimamente con Anderson e con Wardlord, in una narrazione perfetta fino alla fine, dove abbiamo un Cody che ne esce da top face fortissimo e un MJF che, strappando la vittoria, ne esce come un perfetto heel. 7

PAC/Cassidy. Match cazzatona per rifiatare prima del ME, perfetto nel suo ruolo. 6

World. Un buon match, niente di eclatante, nel senso quello con Cody fu decisamente migliore, hanno sfruttato bene tutto l'act da campione di Jericho, parecchie cose interessanti anche sul ring, contento di questo cambio di titolo? Mah, si e no, nel senso che avrei trovato migliore un Omega per quello che sigifica e la storia tra i due, ma comprendo che un Moxley serve per svecchiare il prodotto sicuramente. 6/7