Jon Moxley is back

[Fight_Anyone]

Assurdo.
Si capiva che Vince ha sempre visto Ambrose come non come un pazzo instabile, ma come un simpatico mattacchione.
Nell'ultimo ritorno si vedeva anche il suo tentativo di portare il personaggio come piaceva a lui.
E mette anche in evidenza come il meccanismo WWE manchi di logica in un certo senso: prendono sotto contratto ottimi lavoratori a tutto campo, perché fanno bei promo, perché mettono insieme bei match e gli dicono: bene, adesso ti diciamo noi cosa dire, adesso i match te li mettiamo insieme noi.
Grande Vincé, tu si che sei il più grosso, lo hai pagato il minimo, così si impara eheh
Gli auguro il meglio.

Detto questo, va bene tutto, però Renee lavora ancora lì.
CM Punk almeno ha avuto il buonsenso di aspettare che se ne fosse andata anche AJ prima di spalare.

Staranno facendo in modo che lei venga licenziata, per me non aspetta altro anche lei.

[Joy Black]

https://www.spreaker.com/user/pwtorch/2 ... p-int-mox1

Altra intervista a Moxley che leggo essere molto interessante. È una parte prima, la seconda settimana prossima.

[Tsunami]

https://www.spreaker.com/user/pwtorch/2 ... p-int-mox1

Altra intervista a Moxley che leggo essere molto interessante. È una parte prima, la seconda settimana prossima.

Qui gli highlights
Says the Jericho podcast was incredibly cathartic and he was doing the podcast, in his head, "for months". Always knew he'd come to Jericho with it.
He felt a need to "shine a spotlight" on what goes on backstage [at WWE]. Fans think they know, people (like Keller) think they know- but they don't really know.
Cut the post-DoN "paradigm shift" promo in one take. No writers needed, no approval needed. Told Cody to have a camera waiting for him when he got backstage. Cut three promos (one of which hasn't aired yet) post-DoN in less than 10 minutes. Said he felt like he accomplished more in those 10 minutes than his entire time in WWE.
Confirms he's gone "off script" before. Said he had Vince chasing him down the hallway one week in Atlanta to yell at him for going off script. Says he didn't do it often (even though, during the final few months, he knew he could get away with it) because he was afraid a writer or producer would get fired.
Says the wrestlers aren't afraid of losing their jobs- they know they have job security. The writers and producers, however, fear for their jobs. Creates "a weird dynamic" between wrestlers and writers.
Says "writers" shouldn't exist in wrestling. Their job shouldn't exist in wrestling because no one knows the characters better than the wrestlers themselves.
Feels his biggest weapon is the fact "he can talk", and that was immediately taken away when he got to the WWE.
Says, today, guys like Dusty Rhodes and Roddy Piper wouldn't have gotten the chance to sound better on the mic than Baron Corbin because of the way everyone is scripted. Everyone is on an even playing field. Says if Austin, in his prime, came into WWE in 2019 we wouldn't have "Austin: 316".
Jon says that every performer is different in WWE. Says not everybody feels the way he does. Says they know how to book people strong "when they want to book people strong". There are probably a lot of people who are very happy. And there are probably people that feel like him.
Vince "is the problem" where the product is concerned. Verbatim- "I mean, everyone seems to like NXT. And what's the key ingredient that's missing? Vinny". Suggests they let Hunter run things for a month and see what happens.
An example of Vince changing things in a positive way: Jon wanted to take a pair of pliers and try and rip Seth's tongue out during their Summerslam match in 2014. Vince suggested that Jon curb stomp Seth instead. And both of them [Seth/Jon] had a light bulb moment and were like "he pulled one out of his hat, he's still a genius".
Said he always tried to give Vince the benefit of the doubt because "he created wrestling" but he didn't see a lot of that genius in his final few months. "In 2019, I don't think he knows what the f*** is going on".
Thinks HHH has what it takes to take the reigns from Vince- "who else is there?". He's a much better option [between Vince and HHH].
Says it wouldn't be a "free for all" under Hunter, but "maybe it would be better". Says Hunter is more open and collaborative.
Says he was the mouthpiece for the Shield because he was the most comfortable talking.
When he first got to WWE main roster, he assumed that the scripts were "a suggestion". Says he felt like he'd made a horrible mistake when he realized the had to read exactly what was on the script.
Says he still remembers doing his first in-ring promo as the Shield. They got backstage after the promo, all hyped up and adrenaline running and, once the dust settled, they all realized that none of them understood what they had just said in the ring.
Said he thought the pre-Summerslam 2017 storyline between him and Seth was "pretty good stuff", even though it was entirely scripted.
Says (before the Shield was officially in the works), he was supposed to debut and work with Mick Foley (they had even started working together on social media). It turned out that Foley was injured and could never get cleared to wrestle- so it never happened. In his mind, at the time, he thought it was going to be the greatest angle of all-time. He didn't know he would've been given a script and, when he found out, he knew he would've reacted poorly because of how excited he was (and subsequently they would've labelled him as having a bad attitude). Says he's glad it never happened that way.
Jon/Dean says Vince believes you have to "tell a story" in the ring. He doesn't care about the moves or "wrestling" wrestling. He needs a story. Working over the leg etc. "You wouldn't believe some of the stuff he just buries and the people he rides so hard".
Says Vince is "always what he's been" but the world around him has changed.
3 hours of RAW "dilutes" the product. When it's all produced and all looks the same, it gets diluted. Says he doesn't know how they fill 3 hours of RAW every week.
"They retread the same matches over and over. Some guys just don't ever get used". But the guys that get used, are "over-used" and they retread the same matches over and over. So you see a PPV calibre match- but three weeks in a row. Said a lot of the top stars would prefer to give somebody else a shot, rather than wrestle the same opponent three weeks in a row. Mentioned Tyler Breeze, Chad Gable and Apollo Crews as talent that doesn't get used, but should be used instead of seeing "Dean Ambrose vs Drew McIntyre" three weeks in a row.
He remembers the sufferin' succotash day. "Do you think [Roman] wanted to say that?". Says Roman went into Vince's office after receiving the script. Roman asked Jon/Dean after he came out of Vince's office "is there a cool way to say it?".
Says he's glad he's friends with Roman, or he'd "resent the hell out of him". Says there were plenty of times he felt he had a stronger connection with the fans than [Roman] did- but he was his best friend.
Assumed they canned the Nia Jax angle because of the press release and the fact the fans would know he was leaving (and subsequently why he believed it was happening).
Said he was worried how he was going to deal with being in an angle where he's throwing punches at a woman when his "Feminist hero wife" was on commentary.
Says it got "awkward" towards the end. They kept making him come out and say "goodbye to the crowd". Said it was strange because he knew where he was going to go (but nobody else knew), so "he didn't know what to say to the crowds". Says he remembers one of his goodbyes, just putting his head on Roman's shoulder and saying to him "this is getting awkward, dude".
On the night after Mania RAW, Michael Hayes told him to go out and say goodbye to the crowd. In his mind, he was thinking- "I'm not saying goodbye to them, I'm saying goodbye to you. This is the night after Mania crowd, half of them (if not more) are probably going to be at Double or Nothing."

[The master of ROH]

Ho ascoltato la prima parte dell'intervista al Wade Keller Show.

E' praticamente l'ideale seguito dell'intervista con Jericho, espande in molti di quei temi, di quanto nessuno possa mai andare off-script neanche di un minimo (a parte i part-timer probabilmente), dice che Roman faceva dei bei promo improvvisati mentre erano in macchina ma negli show gli davano i "sufferin succotash" e amenità varie e non sapeva come districarsi, di come a Double Or Nothing in 10 minuti ha registrato 3 promo senza script mentre in WWE per farne mezzo ci può volere anche un'ora e più se non piace a Vince, più molte altre tematiche.

Alla fine dice che tutti i problemi creativi sono riconducibili interamente a Vince, ma la cosa bella è che nonostante in pratica si stia sfogando appare totalmente lucido e non rancoroso, come se davvero stia solo elencando dei problemi senza alcun astio personale, ascolto consigliatissimo.

Attendo la seconda parte, pare che parli in dettaglio del match che ebbe con Lesnar.

[ATM]

La parte in cui parla del beneficio del dubbio nei confronti di Vince secondo me è quella fondamentale: come può il genio che ha creato il business essersi rincoglionito così tanto e non rendersi conto che non può fare più nulla?

[Lampa8]

Incredibile quello che dice Moxley: non tanto perchè sveli un arcano inaspettato, quanto perchè conferma limpidamente i sospetti e le paure di tutti. Vince è stato ed è il centro di tutto: della nascita, del successo e dell'attuale semi-distruzione dell'universo WWF/WWE.

Illuminante quando dice che zio Vincenzo non sembra affatto accorgersi di quello che (non) fa, ad oggi, 2019. Oppure quando dice che a Vince non importa più tanto il wrestling in sè, le mosse, quanto la storia da raccontare: il che potrebbe anche andare bene, ma quando la storia è pilotata dalla sceneggiatura, dove i lottatori sono letteralmente castrati e senza margini di iniziativa e in cui gli sceneggiatori sono legati ad un certo tipo di canovaccio, in preda ad una sorta di timore reverenziale (e quindi, sostanzialmente, con le mani e la "mente" legati), e che comunque il tutto viene ricondotto ad una decisione/imput/rettifica di Vincent Kennedy McMahon, allora non si può non capire la deriva che stanno prendendo Raw e Smackdown, al netto dei cambi di prospettiva e di utenza che presenta oramai da una decina di anni il prodotto made in WWE.

Fa piacere come lui stesso confermi che NXT sia un'eccezione (e lo percepiamo un po' tutti) proprio perchè svincolato dalla longa manus di Vince; e lo stesso Moxley sembra avere fiducia in HHH.

[Tsunami]

Intanto il podcast di Jericho con Moxley fa 700'000 download in 48 ore.

[Darth_Dario]

Io comunque a questa cosa che gli importi della storia non ci credo più. Sono anni che i match WWE sono impostati con i contasuplex e voli a caso fatti da chiunque. L’ho già detto: a me le stellette nei videogiochi hanno sconvolto come concetto.

Semmai a Vince McMahon interessano i momenti, gli shock, la locura a cazzo di cane, ma della storia non gliene sbatte un cazzo.

[Commander Cool]

Anche perché negli show della WWE si vede tutto fuori che storie.

[Asvel]

Il punto è che, probabilmente, quello che noi consideriamo storia non è lo stesso per Vince.
Se dobbiamo credere che Jon dica la verità sulla pizza col barbone, la maschera a gas eccetera

[AFM2000]

Anche perché negli show della WWE si vede tutto fuori che storie.

Non si riferiva alle storyline

[Joy Black]

Intervista consigliatissima qui

https://25yearslatersite.com/2019/06/01 ... Z96rO8ZUIg

G: In less than one week, you debuted for AEW, announced that you had signed with New Japan and had a major interview with Chris Jericho come out that has the entire world talking. How are you feeling after this week?

JM: Feeling pretty good. Feeling like I’m right where I’m supposed to be sitting. The podcast seemingly got a bigger reaction than I thought it would. I didn’t know if the response would be positive or negative but I didn’t really care. I had things I needed to say and I tried to do it in the most objective way possible. I tried to emotionally detach from it, which is very difficult to do sometimes when you’re telling some of these stories. I’m happy people liked it. You never know if people are going to judge you or make up their own opinion but I didn’t care. I didn’t want to come off as ungrateful to the WWE, the universe, the Gods, or whatever God you choose to believe in that blessed me with all of these things that I have. My wife and I have a very nice home and I don’t have to be financially dependent on WWE anymore. I’m grateful that they gave me the opportunity to do that.

I don’t want anyone to think that I’m a snotty, entitled kid or anything but some of these stories you wouldn’t believe — some of these stories about how WWE works are so unbelievable. Somebody has got to say this stuff and there are so many people in WWE that can’t. I can. It’s the giant elephant in the room that’s screaming “HELLO”. Everyone knows that everything we’re doing is stupid but we’re still doing it. Something has to happen there. I couldn’t help it from the inside. I tried but they all think I’m some kind of idiot, but I saved all my money so who’s the idiot now?

AG: The obvious comparison to you on “Talk is Jericho” is CM Punk on Colt Cabana’s podcast. A lot of people wondered if we would be getting something similar but I think they were drastically different. You didn’t burn bridges; you told the truth.

JM: A bridge is never burnt in WWE. Vince [McMahon] would have me back tomorrow and would love it if I came crawling back to him. I think Punk had a lot more personal animosity towards WWE and specific people. I don’t know every detail of his story and I haven’t spoken to him since he left WWE. His experience drove him to not like wrestling anymore, I think. For me, I wanted the exact opposite. I just got pro wrestling back after losing it years ago. I’m like “Whoa, I’m back in the game, here we go!” I wanted to make sure that people knew that there’s no bitterness and that my love of wrestling and my desire to perform for the fans, my desire to meet and exceed their expectations and my love for the fans has only gotten bigger. They have stayed with me through thick and thin and they’re going to follow me wherever I go. Now they’re AEW fans. They can still be WWE fans but they’re AEW fans too. Not trying to come off as arrogant but that’s a lot of fans that are now following AEW. We’re garnering a huge fan base and we’ve only done one show. It just so happens that the one show we’ve done was fucking awesome. Even if this whole thing goes fucking tits up and we never run another show, that was one helluva show. But we’re going to run more shows, a lot of shows. We’re running a show June 29th in Daytona Beach, Florida, me vs Joey Janela. That’s a beautiful, ugly mess [laughs].

Jon Moxley and Joey Janela will face off in June in AEW
AG: It’s been a long time since you’ve been outside of the WWE. What was it like being in a non-WWE locker room after all these years?

JM: I wasn’t in the locker room. I was hiding all day. A lot of these people I still haven’t had a chance to meet yet. I did get to meet some after the show. For me, the experience creatively, the collaboration [pauses] I text Cody and told him that when I was coming back from the ring to make sure he had a camera guy follow me to get a backstage promo in the hall. As I’m coming back from the ring, there’s a camera guy. Not a crew, there wasn’t a producer and a writer there too along with a boom mic guy. It was one guy following me down the hall with a camera and he points the camera at me, hits record and two minutes later, we have a promo. No writer, no fancy lighting. [Raises voice] Point the camera at me and press record! Done, two minutes. Did another thing with Joey Janela for The Young Bucks show. They had an idea, I said cool, added a little to it and three minutes later, we have another promo. They had another idea; three minutes later, we have a third promo. In ten minutes backstage at AEW, we knocked out three quality promos that would’ve taken a whole day in WWE. A ten second shot can take an hour with all the setup. If someone walks by, we would have to shoot it over. Everything’s got to be so perfect. If you were interviewing Phil Jackson at halftime of a basketball game and someone walked behind you, it doesn’t ruin the interview. He’s just a guy in the background. Its real sports.

In AEW, I think we’re going to have a lot more of that feel. It might not be super pretty and slick. Sometimes I feel like WWE is so well produced that it takes me out of it. We walk through matches so many times before a major show, plan out every camera shot, every facial. There’s no rawness to it; it’s too well done. I like when cameras are trying to keep up with the action. They don’t know what’s going to happen and it makes it seem so frantic, especially in a Young Bucks match or something like that. So what if they missed a shot, we’ll get it on replay. It happens all the time in real sports. Sometimes a gruesome injury will happen and the camera misses it because it wasn’t part of the main play. So they go back and show a replay and you get the closeup and react then.

AG: In 2009, 2010, you were the best promo guy in the business. To hear you say on Jericho’s podcast that you fell out of love with promos really sucked to hear. Is that passion coming back?

JM: 100%. My filing cabinet of ideas for promos, angles, concepts, moves and big and small ideas got emptied out the moment I left WWE. Everything I had before WWE is lost. Everything I had as Dean Ambrose or as a Shield guy, is lost. I shit-canned all that shit. I’m starting over. My cabinet was empty, but it is filling up quickly. I can’t wait to start getting this stuff out there.

AG: The independent wrestling scene is completely different than when you left in 2011.

JM: It’s a whole different world. I never made any money back then, before I came to WWE. You would’ve thought I was some kind of hot deal on the indys, but I was making max, $100, $125 a night, driving all over the country. I only made money if I did a death match. That’s when I started bartering my health for money. Oh if you want light tubes, that’s an extra $200. If you want a bunch of blood, that’s an extra $100. If you want me to take a bump on barbed wire, that’s $500. My point is, the indy scene is totally different now. There’s Impact, Ring of Honor, New Japan is awesome now. Indy wrestling used to seem so bottom of the barrel. You would so rarely see a huge show but now I feel like you see a huge indy show every week.

When I watched All In last year, I didn’t know half of the guys. I had never seen them work before. I was gone a long time, eight years, in the WWE bubble with blinders on and that’s a thick bubble man. Three hundred days a year, no break, your body’s hurt. It’s hard to explain the intensity of a Monday Night Raw. People running up to you in a panic saying we need to do this, this and this before the show even starts. “We need to do a promo, Vince doesn’t like this line, oh we need to get that approved”. People running around, doing rehearsals and then once the show starts, you’re on live TV. It’s very demanding but I don’t give a shit about that anymore. Not my problem anymore. We’re going to be on live TV with AEW and it’s cool that I have that experience. Not everyone has worked live TV before and it’s different.

AG: It’s a testament to the indys and how well they’re doing considering that WWE has been bringing in so many top indy stars to NXT.

JM: I never thought of that until you just said it but its amazing. I thought it was a bad idea when Hunter started buying the indys. You had Seth and me, along with Joey Mercury and we were able to sneak in a few key guys like Luke Harper, Neville and Cesaro. Once I was on the main roster and NXT started, which I wasn’t a part of, every week Triple H was taking an Instagram selfie with some indy guy. I don’t know if he was trying to make himself look cool and get some indy cred or what, or make NXT cool. He basically started buying the indys. I remember thinking that it might not be a good idea. Then where are all of these good ideas going to come from? If they signed Daniel Bryan at 21, he never would’ve become Bryan Danielson and you never would’ve had WrestleMania 30. If they signed Punk before he really became CM Punk, he never would’ve done what he did. If they signed me at 21, I never would’ve become anything good. I had to develop first before getting brought in.

Buying up all of the indy scene was the same as Vince buying up all the territories back in the day. There’s nobody left to cherry pick for talent. It’s amazing that even though they bought up the indys that it has repopulated itself stronger than ever. Makes you very optimistic about the future of pro wrestling. That’s probably the biggest difference between my interview and the Punk interview. He was basically saying fuck pro wrestling, and I was saying that I got my love of pro wrestling back. I want to wrestle everyone. Let’s drop all the bridges, get all the companies together and have a super show that sells out a stadium right now. Fuck it. The sum of wrestling outside of WWE is bigger than WWE. I feel like myself, the entire AEW roster and all of the fans are the same team, reaching for the same goal, to make wrestling awesome. To not be embarrassed to tell people you’re a wrestling fan because they’d say to you “oh that show with fart jokes and they poop on each other or whatever the fuck happens over there anymore”. If you’re a wrestling fan and you show someone some things from WWE, you’d be embarrassed. You’d want to bust out old VHS tapes to show them why you’re a wrestling fan because this isn’t it. I want people to be wearing an AEW shirt and have someone say “Oh you’re a wrestling fan, fuck yeah, me too”. When I was standing on that poker chip at the end of Double Or Nothing, I didn’t know when we were going off the air. I stayed up there but for some reason, I just wanted to take a fucking victory lap. Security did not appreciate it but I took a giant victory lap around the arena, off the air and I felt like I was with 12,000 teammates. We are all AEW. We have that common bond.

Jon Moxley at the close of AEW’s Double or Nothing
AG: There seems to be this internet wrestling fan theory that once Vince is gone and Hunter is in control that everything is going to be OK.

JM: Everyone seems to like NXT and there’s no Vince on that product. I think he’s the most capable guy of taking over the whole thing. I’m certainly not. I can’t imagine the expertise it would take in so many areas it would take to sit in Vince’s chair. He’s the only real option. But he’s 50, Vince is 70 and Vince’s mother is like 90 something and still plays tennis every day. If Vince lives until he’s 90, Hunter won’t take over until he’s 70. I’d much rather see it change sooner than later because Vince is out of ideas. He can’t adapt. It would be the best thing for him to at least step aside for a while and see what happens. He’s trapped in this bubble that he’s created around himself. He was a genius in the ’80s and knew how to adapt in the ’90s. Neither of which are true in 2019. You know that Spiderman movie with Toby McGuire wherein the beginning Willem Dafoe was the bad guy and they vote him out of his own company? Why aren’t the shareholders getting together here and saying, “This dude is laughing at his own fart jokes. We’ve got to get him out of here”. Isn’t there a way where we can all band together and squeeze him out? He went from creating modern wrestling to being the one that’s hindering it the most but that’s over there on that side. Over on this side, we’re doing nothing but creating. I don’t have to worry about what’s going on over there.

AG: People weren’t quite sure how to interpret you not saying much about Triple H in the Jericho interview.

JM: My thing was between Vince and me. I had a good relationship with Hunter. There’s no heat. The only person I might have a bad relationship with is Vince and that’s not a bad relationship because of animosity. We just don’t speak the same language creatively. It’s better for both of us to not work together. With everyone else, it’s all good, ya know?

AG: Just from knowing you for a long time, I know how important Japan has always been to you and how much you wanted to work there. Now you’ve signed with New Japan.

JM: At the very least, it was always a bucket list thing for me, to at least have one run in Japan. Of all my favorite places I got to wrestle with WWE, the shows in Japan were always my favorite. I loved the fans, the culture, the respect for pro wrestling. It makes you want to stay in the ring forever. New Japan gave me a buzz shortly after I left WWE and without hesitation, I was in. To go back to Sumo Hall, with New Japan this time, I can’t wait.

AG: Should we be looking for you in more places besides AEW and New Japan?

JM: I could pop up anywhere, man. I’ve got the rest of my year planned, some bucket list stuff. I’m putting my foot to the gas pedal this year because I’m so excited about stuff and then probably let off a little in 2020 and primarily focus on AEW. I’ve got a movie in pre-production, I’m trying to make my own movie, I’ve got a lot going on and at any moment I might just pop up and a fight might break out in any ring around the country.

I wanted to add this final story that didn’t quite fit in the body of the interview but absolutely deserved to be told.

JM: I was privileged enough to be able to work for Vince McMahon and also work with Dusty Rhodes, who was the head of creative at FCW when I was there. I had a very great and fulfilling time there. I would sit in the office with Dusty in the afternoons and just shoot the shit, in between training sessions. We would talk creative and ideas and he was still able at that point in his life to get excited about an idea just the same way he did at his apex in the late ’80s. I was privileged enough to work for arguably the two biggest creative driving forces in our industry. I’ll never get to main event WrestleMania but I got to main event Starrcade in my hometown of Cincinnati and that’s right up there, the top for me. Even though it was WWE’s version, still, it was my hometown and Dusty created Starrcade. I didn’t look at Dusty as a mentor. There are no peers to Dusty Rhodes but he treated me like one. He had this vision of me, of how I was going to take over WWE. These vignettes would be in a smokey bar, the camera zooms in on my back, Dean Ambrose leather jacket, in the Viper Club. He called it the Viper Club but he meant the Viper Room. He had this vision of me as a Johnny Depp, River Phoenix, “you’re James Dean baby”. He literally saw me as the coolest person in the world; that’s how he pictured these vignettes and pitched them to me. Dusty saw me as the coolest person in the world and Vince saw me as an idiot. That’s the difference between the two.

Flash forward to my first promo I released after leaving WWE, the prison one and I knew we were filming in LA. I kept thinking about the leather jacket and the Viper Club and I insisted on getting a shot at the Viper Room, just for me. There was deep, deep meaning to that. What I didn’t know is that the dice on the wall were on a two and five, double or nothing but the conspiracy theorists out there noticed it. The other conspiracy theory I heard was that the dog represented Roman Reigns, the hound of justice. The dog was just a good boy doing his job, but hey, art is subjective and it can mean whatever you want it to.

[Tsunami]

https://411mania.com/wrestling/dean-amb ... stlemania/

Orripilante.

Ditemi ancora che Lesnar non fa quello che vuole.

[Gsquared]

Poi uno non deve incazzarsi. Insieme al Triple Threat femminile, l'unico match che aveva qualche interesse di quella Wrestlemania, e lo hanno buttato nel cesso così.

[AFM2000]

https://www.spreaker.com/user/pwtorch/2 ... ox2-pgedit

Qui la seconda parte.